The face that an unauthorized elderette knows you haven't filled out these forms and that your dpa is overdue shows how much JW cares about your personal data.
They will share it with everyone and anyone whenever they want.
Anders Andersen
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advice please/data protection
by Phoebe ini have just received an email from an elder's wife regarding the new data protection laws.
between the lines it sounds like she has been asked to contact me.. she says they 'don't want to leave me out' so they want me to fill out the form as 'i'm still part of the congregation'.
also, my blood card needs updating, apparently.. the elder in charge will be in contact.. obviously, i'm not doing either, but what do i do?
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Atheists - How Did You Become An Atheist After Waking Up?
by pale.emperor ini consider myself an atheist.
and right now i'm reading a lot on atheism in general (books written to answer creationists).. i'd be interested in knowing how you became an atheist after leaving the jws and how long did it take?
was it instant or did your belief in a deity gradually decline?.
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Anders Andersen
I started to research all available evidence that could support my jw beliefs, starting with evidence for God's existence, for example by looking at evidence for creation.
None found.
Then off to find evidence that shows the Bible must be a divine book.
None found, quite the opposite. So I put God to the test in many prayers, not unlike some tests described in the Bible, but without forcing God to pull a miracle. Either God failed the test, or I did.
By then I lost my belief in God and the Bible, but for good measure I started to research evidence that JW are Gods people.
Well...that turned out to be eye opening....
The whole process took 6 weeks. Well maybe I have been an atheist JW my whole life without realizing it, who knows?
Right now I'm reading C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity to get a nonJW perspective on the whole idea. I find myself quite allergic to religious 'reasoning' where broad stroke assumptions and non-sequitur seem to be king.
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What Is Exciting About Jehovah’s Witnesses? Anything??
by minimus inare they the most boring people on earth?
their music, their videos, their public speaking... all are a big yawn.
there is no life to the witness religion!.
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Their impending global decline.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection
by humblepotato innews room > legal developments > legal resources.
jehovah's witnesses scripturally based position on child protection.
i am having trouble understanding paragraph 5. it says: .
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Anders Andersen
Even if the elders have no legal duty to report an accusation to the authorities, the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses will instruct the elders to report the matter if a minor is still in danger of abuse or there is some other valid reason.
Apparently a case of child abuse isn't right away a valid reason to contact the authorities?
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GB member in The Netherlands for contact with State secretary of Justice
by Gorbatchov indutch newspapers report that a gb member was in the netherlands last week for contact with the state secretary of justice because of the abuse cases.
(276 reported now).. no details were revealed.. g..
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Anders Andersen
I heard there is a nation wide (in our tiny country a nation small) broadcasting streaming in the congration.
Do you know when that would be? Haven't heard about it yet...
Edit: Ah....I see 'special program' in my wife's calendar for Saturday....but apparently that was planned already quite some time ago...
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GB member in The Netherlands for contact with State secretary of Justice
by Gorbatchov indutch newspapers report that a gb member was in the netherlands last week for contact with the state secretary of justice because of the abuse cases.
(276 reported now).. no details were revealed.. g..
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Anders Andersen
@Freddo,
I collected some (20+) links here: https://www.reddit.com/r/exjg/comments/8gfj5e/in_het_nieuws_276_misbruikslachtoffers_hebben/
Most of the items say rougly the same. The item in Trouw reports on the GB member (or at least someone from HQ) visiting NL to talk to the Minister of Justice.
Het ministerie van justitie en veiligheid is nog steeds in gesprek met het bestuur van de getuigen in Nederland, laat een woordvoerder weten. Vorige week kregen ambtenaren een lid van het Amerikaanse besturend lichaam van de Jehovah’s Getuigen op bezoek. Die kwam namens de internationale organisatie over het eigen kerkrecht en misbruikbeleid praten.
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Abuse by JW in the Netherlands: 276 victems registred in Q1, 2018
by Gorbatchov inhttps://www.metronieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/2018/05/meldingen-misbruik-bij-jehovahs-getuigen-opgelopen.
276 victems registred now in q1 2018, abused by jw's in the netherlands.. state secretary says branche has to speak with victem group official.. g..
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Anders Andersen
So far at least 25 newspapers and websites have reported on this today.
I've collected the links here https://www.reddit.com/r/exjg/comments/8gfj5e/in_het_nieuws_276_misbruikslachtoffers_hebben/
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Abuse by JW in the Netherlands: 276 victems registred in Q1, 2018
by Gorbatchov inhttps://www.metronieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/2018/05/meldingen-misbruik-bij-jehovahs-getuigen-opgelopen.
276 victems registred now in q1 2018, abused by jw's in the netherlands.. state secretary says branche has to speak with victem group official.. g..
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Anders Andersen
Thanks for sharing G.
Additional sources report on this as well:
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Certificate Of Destruction--by request!
by Atlantis inin your message, you wanted to know what the "certificate ofdestruction" used by the watchtower records department looks like.
(as soon as atlantis gets a copy i'll send it to you.
)please view this leaked video and go to 33 minutes of the video.
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Anders Andersen
The data management policy in itself is nothing out of the ordinary....for a law firm or a company afraid of litigation.
The Borg really is run like a multinational company. It's all about the money, nothing about spirituality or worship.
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Can a DF person testify at a judicial committee?
by JeffT inthis may be a plot point in a novel i'm working on.
will a judicial committee take testimony from a df'd or da person?
i could see them wanting to get dirt from any possible source, on the other hand i can picture somebody saying "he's df'd everything he says will be a lie.
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Anders Andersen
The testimony of unbelievers and disfellowshipped or disassociated ones may also be considered, but it must be weighed carefully.
That's a direct quote from the elders manual.
In other words, testimony can be used but of course the elders will be more likely to think they're lying.
By the way if you want to get your terms correct, the part with the testimonies is not the judicial committee. Before a JC is initiated, the (two) elders will go on a fact finding mission to see if any sins have been committed that warrant a JC. They will talk to witnesses to the sin (including possible unbelievers).
During the JC there is not much fact finding to do other than quizzing the accused to see if they are repentant.
Only in very rare cases (according to the elders book) it may appear during the JC that a JC isn't needed after all.
Example: while his wife is out of town, a bro is seen walking around town with a beautiful blonde woman. They are seen walking with arms locked together, hugging, during a dinner for two, going into the house of the bro together in the evening, and spending the night there.
Three different JW rat on the bro to the elders. It's clear as day that something sinny is going on here, so the bro is 'invited' for a chat at the Kh. When he gets there, he is ambushed by a 3 person panel of JC judges (who never clearly explain that fact nor the procedure they're following).
They explain charges of immorality and infidelity to him and want to proceed with the JC.
The bro laughs, produces a family picture and points out his beautiful blonde sister who lives abroad and is visiting him for a few days. Yeah, end of JC.